>But, then there're the folks out there who have to be *sold* on the
concept of a Folk -- there are *still* people out there who don't "buy
into" that, and who even become hostile when the word is mentioned --
and so have to be sold on the concept of a law binding the Folk. If
you have not Folk, you cannot have a law. Without law, you're outlaw.
...and, our Gods understand law and outlaw. Take that into
consideration, oh, you posers!
...yes, the Gods, and Wurt‚ (wurt-ah: norns) all understand the deepest
significances of it perfectly!
Those who would strive against or rally against a notion of the common
ground that should unite us, at least on certain minimal levels as
pan-Germanic Heathen- simply do not understand what Heidentriuwa is all
about.. they simply DO NOT get it.. that Heathen troth is a community
affair, its a social trust....this is most applicable on the 'localized'
scale, of course, within each respective 'circle' if you will, but like I
said, with us being so few in number, there's got to be some greater
cohesiveness, at least where it comes to matters of the SURVIVAL and
FURTHERANCE of our Heathenry- be it Irminenschaft, Asatru, Odinism, or
whatever...not that I feel we have some 'secret government enemy' or some
other stuff, but if we're going to make any progress, we can only do it in
the collective- much the same way the PACs work in government...we have to
at least be on an effective level, and that's a united front...again, we
don't have to change our ways of doing things, or accept someone else's etc
etc etc...but we gotta work together and be willing to support one-another
on the many areas where there is a shared common ground...and who knows-
perhaps it will help in the networking.. say, when someone comes to your
group/organization who simply would fit in better somewhere else, ya got the
'know' of where to send 'em...;)
>We're still, as Wisolf said, at an introductory, a forming
stage...perhaps more damning, we're still at a *lawless* stage, only a few
individuals and organizations deigning to *require* of their members.
It's perhaps different on the kindred, hearth or sippe level, but I doubt it
generally. We've been conditioned not to require things of people.
That is a weakness which needs to be addressed.
...yeh, and that's something we as Irminists have taken by the horn- nothing
comes for free, all is earned, and you must maintain the worth of keeping
what is earned...
>...one way of facilitating this is to recognize that some people are
and must be in charge, but that this is not an office but a trust,
answerable to the common good.
...yes, and 'office' is used lightly: sure enough, it is a trust, and a
dynamic one at that...failing to maintain that triuwa to Gods and folk
brings about the removal of that individual, which is the Folk's own right
in doing, what good is a man or woman who is entrusted with the Luck of the
folk who then turns around and acts in selfish or otherwise un-Lucky or
un-increasing ways to and for the folk?
>As such, a godhar, gydhjya, harugari (am I using the word correctly)
or other chieftain (the word I prefer) without alliances is sailing close to
the rocks of a cult of personality. No kindred or organization should
seek to be an island. There's too much to be done.
...absolutely: we need to work within our respective inningart to improve or
further that specific triuwa or other cult-specific development we're
striving to achieve, but at the same time, we gotta work with other Germanic
Heathen, preventing that 'divide and conquer' affect... or perhaps 'divide
and collapse'...but I might suggest that the unity need not be expressed
through yet another organization, proper, but as Alfta and I have been
discussing, a 'pan-tribal' or 'pan-organizational' Althing..in which the
representatives of the respective bodies do in fact work together on those
key issues, but maintaining the utmost of their sovereignty or some sense of
freedom of association...more like the UN, I suppose, but I may be just
being to Anal with the wording, or my understanding of it.... so for that,
>If a friend is family to you, their enemies must at least be
unwelcome in the area you control, if they've not earned *your* enmity.
They must *at least* be strangers to you...even today, when there aren't
many of us....
...you would think that a man/woman legitimately set out-of-law from their
group would make them an enemy to the triuwa that group had, and hence to
the Gods...and so, WOULDN'T find welcome in another group which shared that
triuwa as well... unfortunately, that isn't the USUAL case these days... and
there is one glaring and well-known example of this that I think we're all
familiar with, though perhaps we shouldn't indulge that mess here... and I'm
surprised to see the welcome the man gets in what I once considered a most
respectable group...and actually, it seems that that poison is spreading to
>...true. The specifics may change -- that old "is the
hammer sign historical or Wiccan" and "do we conduct blot in Old
English/Norse/Gothic/English/whatever?", which often resemble monks
arguing over transubstantiation -- but the common good must be respected.
....yeh, it won't be a forum for arguing who's right and wrong about this or
that... though we could certainly use it to bounce ideas off one-another, I
would hope:).. but it isn't about tribal differences, its about triuwa-
troth, troth to the Gods and furthering that triuwa on a collective and more
>In short, we need, as Germanic heathens, tied by thousands of years
of newly rediscovered tradition and modern efforts at relevance, to strive
toward what we have in common, not seek things that make us different.
It may be "modern" and "sexy" to be an individual, but
it's damned impractical, considering what we are working toward.
...I think using the differences to build higher walls is a mistake, and a
fatal one at that- THAT unfortunately seems to be a trend as well... I think
the differences of cultic application are a healthy and good thing
otherwise...addresses the particular needs of what folk are looking for- and
that's perhaps the necessity which brought about the development of
Irminenschaft here in the modern era- offering something a little more
German-centric for those who didn't hear the call of more Scandinavian forms
(Asatru, for example).. or, perhaps for those who'd like a little more
'beef' to add to their stew...
>What we need now is the Law, to match the Lore. We need it
...Law is there, it permeates all of Being... its a matter of as you say,
capitalizing it so that folks can see the finer print a bit easier!
Alaf Sal Fena!